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03 April 2010 @ 12:39 am
Supernatural 5x16 - Dark Side Of The Moon  
Sometimes I wonder if I'm watching the same show...

How could Sam value a normal family life with his own family when he never had one?? Sam never had the experiences Dean had. He never had a normal father-mother family life. He was a baby when Mary died and after that he got raised into the life of a hunter. So why is it so damn hard for you, Dean, to get that in your head? Sam was desperate for a normal life. He clearly didn’t get it at home, so he had to find it somewhere else. So, everyone who just bitched about Sam hurting Dean with his memories might should consider that fact.

Sam was not selfish for wanting a normal life. The way I see it, Dean was/is the selfish one. He wanted his brother to stay to keep his already so broken family together. He didn’t have any hopes or dreams and followed orders blindly. Which, in my opinion is a funny fact b/c as Mary died and John “took over” he already had the experience of a normal family life and yet he still just followed John’s rules blindly - without questioning. And yet Sam who literally was raised into this life developed a mind of his own – which Dean was clearly never able to.

And now, even after so many years Dean STILL blames Sam for it? Sorry, but then you are a real whiny coward, Dean.
Think about the time you got your brother back. The last few years you fought side by side, AS A FAMILY. Sam would die for you… tried to give his life for you just so he could save you!! And yet you still blame him for being a kid with a mind and dreams of his own? *shakes head*

Okay… besides that, I really liked this episode. I loved the way they portrayed the whole heaven thing (it is also my idea of heaven btw) And I LOVE the fact that they flatly pointed out that God does not care! I like that they didn’t try to explain his actions or give us a weak ass excuse. B/c clearly, that is life. If God would care he would not even allow evil in the first place.
I’m not sure if this whole thing is just a “test” for the boys to see if they are worthy or something. (b/c if God wouldn’t care a single bit, why even bother to save them and bring Castiel back in the first place? There has to be more to it) But so far I like the direction.

And I’m very convinced that the writers are not listening to me. Otherwise they would finally stop KILLING Sam in such a graphic way, every effing time *sigh*

So, all I can say as an end note: Dean, stop being such a whiny bitch and get your head back into the game.

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tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 10:05 pm (UTC)
and thank YOU! I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one seeing it that way.

I really hope that Dean gets on with the programm at some point and FOR ONCE sees Sam's side!! It's about time.
michelle: Sam is saying goooood for youcertainthings on April 2nd, 2010 11:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, no. That's pretty much how I feel about things with Sam and Dean.
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 10:04 pm (UTC)
I think atm the writers are trying too hard to write another major conflict into the Sam and Dean "relationship". Just like Sam's SUDDENLY anger in the Asylum episode. It all feels just too artificial to me.
CaptainLon: Unclucky Sam || SPNcaptainlon on April 2nd, 2010 11:12 pm (UTC)
Hear ye hear ye!
Post that on IMDB and see how many Dean fans attack lol

The graphic death's of Sam... that was hard to watch. Sam getting shot while begging. He does look beautiful though in "sleep"

I hate how Dean always is excused to behave like shit to Sam because his past is so bad. And Sam? His life is never as bad as Dean's? Get over yourselves! I love Dean, but he acted like shit in this episode!
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 06:09 pm (UTC)
well, no thank you. Don't want a hord of devoted Dean girls hunting down my ass with pitch forks and torches lol

I just hate that Dean, not even ONCE, at least TRIES to understand Sam's side. When it comes to this he always only demands of ppl that they understand his side and should adjust to his behaviour. I love the guy as well, but right now he is seriously wrong. And he doesn't even seem to care.
R.A.B.: [SPN] Cas - what the hell?domelom on April 2nd, 2010 11:16 pm (UTC)
All of this.. SO TRUE! *sighs*
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 06:10 pm (UTC)
Right? I really do love Dean as well, but his whole "look at me, loot at me. No one loves me" attitude is just wrong. At least ONCE he should try to see Sam's side. But no... it's all about him, him, him :-(
lady_eilthana: Sam 5.03lady_eilthana on April 2nd, 2010 11:45 pm (UTC)
Here via LJ/friendsfriends and I sooo have to agree with you. *hugs Sam and kicks Dean for throwing away the amulet*
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 07:33 pm (UTC)
oh I had no idea my entry was linked! But yay. Welcome :) And I'm glad to see that more ppl see it that way. I really do like Dean, but it just annoys me that not ONCE he tries to see things Sam's way. It's always just about him and that noooooo-one loves him. Gaaah.
lady_eilthana: sam lovelady_eilthana on April 8th, 2010 07:45 pm (UTC)
The fandom needs more Sam love. Definitely.

I just hope there'll be a hero!Sam moment. Some day. *prays naively*
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 10:22 pm (UTC)
The fandom needs more Sam love. Definitely.

AMEN to that!! All the Jared/Sam hate that is going around the fandom sometimes truly annoys the hell out of me!!!

And YES, please!! And I would like to see a Sam-centric episode for once. Jensen already had two of those kind... it's time for Jared now!
lady_eilthana: Jaredlady_eilthana on April 9th, 2010 11:37 am (UTC)
THIS. I agree with everything. :D

I doubt there'll be a lot of Dean hate after the newest episode although there's enough reason to. -__-
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 12th, 2010 07:27 pm (UTC)
Oh at least I have seen SOME Dean hate going on after the latest episode. I usually like Dean (not as much as Sammy though lol ) but lately the guy is making it REALLY hard for me to understand him and still like him!! *sigh*
Right now he is just WRONG and needs some serious slapping over his whiney head!! GAH.
lady_eilthana: Sam angrylady_eilthana on April 14th, 2010 12:42 pm (UTC)
What I've seen here and there was "Don't judge Dean, you were upset about the Sam hate last season, now don't do the same to Dean yourself" but uh... it's hard for me not to. :/

Besides: There has always been Sam hate and probably will ever be so... Dean hate for once? ;) *is biased*
tinkabell007: Sam - awesometinkabell007 on April 19th, 2010 02:13 pm (UTC)
You know what? You are awesome! And I need awesome Sam/Jared/J2 ppl on my flist! So.... do you mind if I friend you? I really think we are clicking quite well!! :-D
lady_eilthana: Sam winslady_eilthana on April 19th, 2010 06:36 pm (UTC)
Oh, danke. *g* Klar!
Ich hab grad mal dein Profil angeguckt und hab gesehen, dass du ja aus Österreich bist. :) Kein Ozean dazwischen! :D


Sam is awesome - must be Thursday

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tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
I really do like Dean but lately he's making it really difficult for me. I just wish that ONCE he'd just TRY to see Sam's side. But no, it's always about him and how hard his life is - and no matter what, everyone has to adjust to him. And that really, really bothers me.

Hmmm though I'm not sure if all the memories were really manipulated by Zach. At first he had no idea where to find the boys. IF he would have manipulated their heaven, he probably would have found them immediately.
chosenfire28: SPN - Dean - leaning on carchosenfire28 on April 3rd, 2010 01:27 am (UTC)
*backs away from the Dean hate in the comments*
sn_143snsn_143sn on April 3rd, 2010 02:04 pm (UTC)
I don't hate Dean, if it's any consolation ^_^
And believe me, Sammy is my man :D
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 08:12 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry. I cant really control the comments. But just for the record, I don't hate Dean. I just disagree with him very much right now and can't really see his side. Also his action feel quite unreasonable and unjustified to me. :-(
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tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 10:01 pm (UTC)
You know I'm glad you mentioned this b/c I haven't seen a single hardcore Dean girl doubting Dean's actions. But it's really refreshing to know.

And that is exactly what bothers me. Why is Dean not capable of seeing Sam's side for a change? It seems that Sam sometimes has to bend over backwards to understand Dean and adjust to his behaviors. And yet, Dean is just his stubborn self and is doing nothing! Gaaah. That really annoys me.

And I'm sure that Sam picked the amulet up and that it will play a role in finding God. I would bet all my money on this one
cassiew08 on April 3rd, 2010 03:35 am (UTC)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you! Great post and can I say I think I love you LOL!!! What gets me is some people saying oooh Sam's memories show he doesn't love Dean at all. If Dean saw how broken up Sam was after Dean was shot in mystery spot and how he basically became a robotic hunter he's be singing a different tune.

I love both brothers but the thing that made me want to slap Dean was him sitting there and letting Mary coo and ahh all over him cutting the crust off his bread and not giving a thought to how Sam might be feeling during all of this. Sam never had a mother cut the crust off his bread, or to snuggle with.

Yet it's only his pain he's concerned with. I'll give him the running away thing but he needs to let go of Sam going away to Stanford.

Also I believe that Zachariah chose those specific Sam meories to further break down Dean and to make him wrongly believe that Sam doesn't care about him.

Again good post.
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 09:56 pm (UTC)
And thank YOU for reading and commenting!! And I'm also very happy to see that you share my opinion on this.

I do love Dean as well but atm he's just making it very hard for me. It seems that Sam is sometimes trying to bend over backwards to adjust to Dean and understand him... and yet, Dean is doing NOTHING to try understanding Sam's side for a change. For him it's all just "boooh, Sam doesn't love me... everyone is mean to me" In the past Sam has proven countless times how much he cares about Dean ever since he got him back into his life.
But Dean still refuses to see that and also still refuses to understand why Sam's childhood just sucked. *sigh*

Hmmm... you are not the first one mentioning that Zach actually controlled the memories. But I'm not so sure. I mean, IF he would have done it, he also would have known where the boys were at every moment. But clearly he had no idea at first. So, I'm not sure that he controlled everything from the very beginning.
heizqu on April 3rd, 2010 09:06 am (UTC)
A-FUCKING-MEN. I couldn't agree more.
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 09:49 pm (UTC)
YAY!! I'm glad you see it the exact same way!!
sn_143snsn_143sn on April 3rd, 2010 01:59 pm (UTC)
ye sI just now got to watch it...shakes fist at awesome internet
Now we know where Dean's love of pie came from...Mary used to give him pie.
And uhmmm hear me out...no throwing stones at me yet, k? ;-P but I don't think Dean had the experience of a normal happy family either. His idea of happiness was having his mom cut the crust off his pb&j and comforting his mother after a fight with his Dad. And sneaking off with his little brother to have fireworks which their father wouldn't let them enjoy. That doesn't sound real normal to me.
And Sam's idea of heaven is always running away from their father, whether it be to visit another family's thanksgiving, or running off to live on his own or going to college, ultimately it was always running away from his father.
Dean left it for our imagination about what exactly John did upon him losing sight of Sam, but we can realize it wasn't anything good.
So ultimately we have Sam, whose heaven is somewhere away from John, and Dean whose idea of heaven is family...and to him Sam is a very important part of that, so he doesn't understand why Sam's heaven didn't include him.
And like Dean said, he thought it was Just Him and Sam against the world. That might have stemmed from sticking together as one through what John must have dragged them through.
Calling it as it is, then yes Dean is selfish for wanting to feel like he is the be it and end it all of Sam's life just like Sam is to him. But nothing in life is so B&W. Dean doesn't wanna see the cracks in their life in technicolor or even acknowledge them unless forced to, BUT Sam sees them in all their vividness, and he doesn't like that life. We saw a bit of this in A very spn xmas and After school special, where Dean thought they had an awesome time, but Sam saw things completely differently, Sam remembered the bad, Dean remembered the good. And that is the fundamental difference in them that neither is able to get.
Dean is just as damaged as Sam, but both in different ways. Sam wants something new other than the family life he got, what he thinks is an ideal family. And Dean, he wanted to work with the family he got, to iron out the crinkles in the fabric of their life and pretend that they didn't exist.

I have the v bad luck of being able to see both sides of the spectrum *headdesk* despite being a Jared!girl.
So I can get where Dean is coming from. And I know where Sam is coming from too. So I can't say anything bad about either of them.

BUT I wouldn't say it didn't hurt like a biotch when Dean threw away the amulet *sniff* That frikking hurt. And the look on Sam's face *whimpers*
Dean lost his last bit of faith he was holding on to about being able to stop the apocalypse, and he lost faith that he is as important to Sam as Sam is to him, so it follows he'd throw away the thing that was a great connection between them.

overall I love this episode....I wasn't looking forward to it after last week which I thought was terrible, but am looking forward to the next


tinkabell007tinkabell007 on April 8th, 2010 09:48 pm (UTC)
Re: ye sI just now got to watch it...shakes fist at awesome internet
Awww, come on, as if I’d ever throw stones at you!! :) I totally disagree with you though, but that is okay. Everyone is allowed to have their opinion. So yeah, def. no stone throwing going on here.

Well, I think Dean def. experienced more happy family life than Sam ever did with his own family. I agree that it was probably not the perfect family life but he had a mother that loved him and cared deeply about him and refered to him as her little angel. And he felt that love every single day.
What did Sam have? A father who yelled at him whenever he did something wrong or when he refused to learn some fighting techniques or had weapon training. It makes perfect sense to me that he tried to run away and was at his happiest when he was not around his family. He might cared about Dean but Dean was so eager to please dad and tried to become him that Sam was always left out.

….and to him Sam is a very important part of that, so he doesn't understand why Sam's heaven didn't include him.

And this is exactly what bothers me. Why is he not even TRYING to understand where Sam is coming from? For him it’s like “boooh my brother doesn’t love me… he never did… everything sucks and the amulet is worthless” Where was Dean the last few years? He SAW how much Sam cared about him as he finally got him back into his life and they became REAL brothers and not just such a fake allusion of brotherhood they had as kids.
And that annoys me. The world doesn’t revolve around Dean. Sam also has A LOT of things to carry around with him but he always seems to deal with them way better than Dean. And yet, he is the younger one.

And I think that’s why I’m just not able to see Dean’s side atm. B/c while Sam is trying to bend over backwards to adjust to Dean, Dean is doing NOTHING to meet him halfway. For him only HIS side and HIS opinion counts. And everything else is stupid. He doesn’t even let Sam explain properly.

So yeah, I guess we will be staying a little bit on different sides on this one… but it’s okay!!! Discussing our show is always the most fun!!!!


And now you are giving me nightmares LOL But I’m thinking the same thing. Everyone is so sure that Sam will say yes… that’s why I think it will be a great plot twist if Dean would be the one!!

Ahhh sorry for the long-ass answer-comment lol