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23 October 2010 @ 03:09 pm
Supernatural 6x05  
Just a warning, this is a bit long and mostly me rambling about THE SCENE (if you've watched the episode, you know which one I mean) and the fandom reactions to it.

Alright, we went into this new season, knowing that it will be different. That after five years of mystery arc, they’ll press the stop-rewind button and start to build something new – something different. Don’t get me wrong, I (mostly) LOVED the past fives years and the storyline and the character developments that came with it. But if they would run with this for another few years, it would be boring. And if they would portray Sam and Dean like in season one, throw them in the Impala and make straight forward MOTW episodes every week, it would be a cheap copy, only with the boys being more muscular. (yum) Besides, look at all the crap the boys have been through? Of course they couldn’t press the stop button and be old Sammy and Dean again. It’s not that simple. Life is not that simple. And I’m glad the writers don’t ignore this fact but actually throw some pretty big rocks along their ways.

That being said, I also have to say that seeing Sam like this is breaking my heart. And I don’t like it and I want him to be “fixed” or at least I want it to be explained– whatever the hell is wrong with him. At the same time I think at some level it is exciting to see the writers explore new things. But I’m convinced that no matter what, they will return to this epic brotherly love relationship the boys have. I have zero doubt about that. The show is basically build on this foundation. And all the frustration of ppl wanting them return to this level pretty much confirms the fact even more, right?
What I don’t get is some ppl being unreasonable. We all know that there has always been Sam hate going around. Even if there was zero reason to. Some ppl just hated the character just for the sake of hating him. But now, it feels like that they actually get a reason to hate him and therefore go all “Oh see? We knew it all along” And THAT fact pisses me off.

Dean did some pretty heavy shit last season (and the season before) as well. Have you all forgotten when he locked Sam into the panic room? And why did he do it? Because he thought at this point it was the right thing to do. So, now we have Sam, struggling through whatever the hell is wrong with him, obviously his mind focused on getting the job done and getting the information he needs is first priority. And in this situation he acted the way it felt right. I’m not defending his actions per se. But at this point he just couldn’t think and act differently. Cause whatever the hell is “broken” in him (or the lack of soul or whatever) prevents him from physically and mentally doing differently. So the way he acted was absolutely in character for the version of Sam we see this season.
And his behaviour was just another (though big) puzzle piece on the way of exploring what’s wrong with him. But of course, since his actions were against Dean this time, ppl are quite ready to just hate the character and call it a day.

Again, it pains me to see Sam being like this… but I’m also sure there is a reason for it. And Sera has a big picture of the entire situation and will explain it when the time is right. So all the ppl who just say “Fuck you Sera” maybe should consider stop watching? And I don’t mean it in a bad way, I really don’t. B/c watching a show should be fun and exciting and nerve-wracking at times, right? And it’s natural that I won’t like every decision and every direction the writers will make and head to. So it’s up to me to be a) frustrated every week and bitch about the characters and the writers, b)be a bit patient, stick with them and wait for the storyline to unfold or c)just call it quits and stop watching altogether. Cause ultimately, those are the only three choices I have. One thing I know for certain is, that when you go in the new episode you just wait for stuff you won’t like and search for another reason to hate Sera even more, it might not be the show you want to watch anymore.

Again, I want to state that this is nothing personal against anyone specific, okay? It’s just the way I see it at the moment. And I also think there’s a difference in saying “I hate the way Sam is acting right now… please explain and fix” or “God, I hate this fucking character and Sera should burn in hell” Cause frankly, I’ve seen more statements of the latter today and it’s just sad.

Other stuff I liked about the episode:
All the Twilight references LOL Duh!!
I’ve never watched a single Twilight movie *pats shoulder proudly* But sadly I know enough about this whole crap to get the references they threw in! And that was just hilarious!!! lol
Also… Dean basically becoming the lurking-and-watching type when he visits Lisa was hilarious. LOL At this point I will not repeat Dean’s opinion about those kinds of vampires, okay? lol
Still dislike Lisa and Ben. Sorry.
Also still dislike Grandpa Campbell. But I’m glad we didn’t get to see much of him. But he gets lots of bonus point for wanting to save Dean <3
Vampire!Dean behaviour? Kinda hot, y/y?

Yeah, I guess that’s it. In conlusion... I really, really liked this week's episode \o/ And I'm also super excited for next week!! \o/
 
 
 
Griva: D&S bwgriva_x on October 23rd, 2010 01:18 pm (UTC)
Have you all forgotten when he locked Sam into the panic room? And why did he do it? Because he thought at this point it was the right thing to do. So, now we have Sam, struggling through whatever the hell is wrong with him, obviously his mind focused on getting the job done and getting the information he needs is first priority. And in this situation he acted the way it felt right. I’m not defending his actions per se. But at this point he just couldn’t think and act differently. Cause whatever the hell is “broken” in him (or the lack of soul or whatever) prevents him from physically and mentally doing differently.
And his behaviour was just another (though big) puzzle piece on the way of exploring what’s wrong with him. But of course, since his actions were against Dean this time, ppl are quite ready to just hate the character and call it a day.
You said it very well! I can't get WHY some folks I read around claim they HATE Sam for using Dean like this. WTF? No, WTF???? Not to mention that no matter how much we love the characters, it is just a frakking SHOW!

And we have 15+ eps still ahead, so be patient for explanation folks, will ya'? I hope it will come. LOL.

Edited at 2010-10-23 01:22 pm (UTC)
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 23rd, 2010 01:22 pm (UTC)
For me, those ppl don't really want to invest time in trying to understand Sam... and don't want to accept and see that Sam has changed this season, that something is different with him and therefore, all the actions he makes are completely in character for him.
But as said... it's quicker to judge him and be done with him than really try to understand - or at least, look at the situation from every possible angle.

And AMEN TO THAT. There are still 15+ episodes left. Of course they won't reveal everything in the first five episodes and be done with it. *sigh*
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Kat: Sammy Winchesterkatwoman76 on October 23rd, 2010 01:48 pm (UTC)
I keep it short and just say THANK YOU for putting into words what I am thinking.
I totally agreee with everyting you said about the whole Sam and Sera hate in this fandom.

And I also think there’s a difference in saying “I hate the way Sam is acting right now… please explain and fix” or “God, I hate this fucking character and Sera should burn in hell” Cause frankly, I’ve seen more statements of the latter today and it’s just sad.
Sadly it's something I heard in this fandom for a long time already. It made me stop reading a lot of commentaries about the episodes, because I ended up being annoyed and pissed of with the hate (of the character, nott single actions of the character) too many times.
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 23rd, 2010 04:36 pm (UTC)
You are welcome! Though, there is really no reason to thank me. I knew some ppl here would understand what I was trying to say - and I'm glad to see that there is agreement :)

And you know what? I still keep reading commentaries about the episodes. Just to see if ppl are reasonable or not. And if not, I'm always up for a discussion. Cause as said, there is one thing of not agreeing with the choices a character makes, or just saying he is crap and stupid and selfish etc. Cause then those ppl, as sad as it makes me, don't really invest time to really watch the episode and think about the deeper meaning of it all.
CeCe Awaycece_away on October 23rd, 2010 01:52 pm (UTC)
Guess I've been pretty lucky cuz I haven't run in to many Sam haters -- or I tend to just hang with Sam girls.

To each their own, but really? How could anyone hate that guy? I love this season, love the mystery, the division, the offness of Sam cuz I know we're going to get a big reward. Huge!
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 23rd, 2010 04:38 pm (UTC)
Oh, lucky you!!! :-))

And I just agree with you on the rest as well!! Sure the time we have to go through right now is painful. But I'm sure it will be fixed in the end and then we are back on the SamandDean epic bromance train *g*
dolnmoondolnmoon on October 23rd, 2010 02:35 pm (UTC)
I so agree with you on the note that if you don't like what you're watching its time to just stop watching. I for one am enjoying this season because of the change in dynamic. I love how Sam is darker but still miss old Sammy and want him back.

I can't wait for next week as we find out what the heck is wrong with Sam. I want him fixed too because he is breaking my heart and I actually wanted to hit him in this episode.. and to be a Sam girl and want to hit him means that Sera is doing her job correctly and Jared is on his acting Game.

I remember when they said at Comic Con that this season was going to be different that they were going back to the first season monster of the week and they have done that but that things between Sam and Dean would be different. They are and even though I do miss the brotherly love they had I also am loving the way they are having to find each other again. I feel bad for Dean though as he lost his brother and when he finds him again he is still gone. With Sam it's always been a trust issue for Dean since season2. I hope once they resolve this Sam darker issue and things get back to some kind of normalcy again the trust issue is gone.

I didn't like the idea of Dean with Lisa but after the second episode I kinda now like Lisa and I am loving Dean's dynamic now with her. He can hunt and she is still in his life. He has the best of both worlds with her. I wanted him to tell her he loved her before he hung up though. I was sad in the end when she wouldn't answer her phone so he could explain what had happened. =(

I am not a grandpa campbell fan but I did like him this episode just a little bit. He knows something is wrong with Sam and he knows Sam lied to his face about knowing about the cure. I don't think Grandpa is evil anymore but I do believe he has a much higher agenda that he won't share.

Next week can't get here fast enough for me.
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 23rd, 2010 04:48 pm (UTC)
I remember when they said at Comic Con that this season was going to be different that they were going back to the first season monster of the week and they have done that but that things between Sam and Dean would be different. They are and even though I do miss the brotherly love they had I also am loving the way they are having to find each other again.

THIIIS!!! I kinda start to really love the change as compared to season one. There are quite some parallels to season one (even then they had to find their way back to each other since there was this huge gap and fight between them) But now, after those 5 years of so much pain, hell trips and loss, there is a different level of them having to "find each other" again. And I think that is interesting to watch and to explore. And we all know, the show wouldn't be the show if there wouldn't be LOTS of angst and drama revolving around Sam and Dean.
Bring Sam back, place him in the Impala and they rid of in the sunset in search for the next hunt is easy. But build them up and make it believable at the same time after everything got pretty much destroyed is a challenge. And so far Sera is doing her job very well imho.

I still don't trust Grandpa Campbell, but I also never really considered him as evil. But I def. agree on the higher agenda part. He is def. working for/with someone. And I'm sure we won't find out any time soon. *sigh*

Besides the trailer I know nothing about next week. So, I'm super excited and hope that we get another puzzle piece of Sam's story. :)
Eriika: sammy bloody smilejiiaffa on October 23rd, 2010 03:03 pm (UTC)
thank you so much for writing this! i think this should be linked to everywhere so all those sam and sera haters could read some sense in their heads :D
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 23rd, 2010 04:50 pm (UTC)
No need to thank me, really :-) I'm just glad to see that there are quite some ppl out there feeling the same way.
But thank YOU for reading and commenting and also being one of those ppl! :-)
anastdean: picDean 6x3anastdean on October 23rd, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
No hate, no anger and patience that's what I would advice all of us. Let's have fun, support our show. No matter what it's just a show for fun. Surely we're all a passionate fanbase, but let's just wait and see. For the record I loved this one.
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 06:29 pm (UTC)
I'm glad to hear that you also loved this one :-) And I also agree on everything else. I think mostly PATIENCE is the key word here. I mean, what do ppl expect? That we are five episodes in and everything is all roses and sunshine again? Pleassse, have we forgotten the past years? When was the Winchester's life ever easy?
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tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
Heh. I wish I also could stay away from some other reviews. But I always just feel the urge to jump in and call some ppl on their unreasonableness b/c some statements are just plain disrespectful and awful and I just can't stand to see Sam (and right now Sera) getting bashed like that. If I love a show, I have to support the whole package. I'm not saying everyone has to like every single character. Lord knows, I don't like everyone either, but I still have to be fair and don't start calling the writers names.

I also gotta be honest, MOTW episodes are not my favorite poison either. I always like the season long mysteries way more. But I think right now they are really on a good track and have a good balance in MOTW and yet we also get a tiny bit of information of the big mystery :)

And hey, def. no offense that you like and enjoyed all the original Twilight stuff :-) Everyone has different taste in stuff. But I' also glad to hear that you were not offended by the choices Supernatural made this week *g*

Uh, I stop rambling now, ok? LOL Again, you are very welcome regarding the icon :-) Soooo happy that you like it :)
Shane: Sam and Deanhavemy_heart on October 23rd, 2010 07:36 pm (UTC)
Do these people not get that Sam obviously came back from hell wrong? He's not the same Sam, for a reason that has yet to be explained. It's that simple. *massive eye roll*

Also, Vampire!Dean was very hot and I was a little sad that he was cured so soon ;)
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 06:42 pm (UTC)
Apparently ppl don't. Or they simple don't WANT to get it. *sigh* For some of them, Sam is still Sam... and therefore it was just soooooooooo awful and evil what he did to his brother. *sighs again*

And I agree. I would have loved to see more of Vamp!Dean :-D I like the way he was all in control and just "grrrr" and pissed off. Esp. when he cleaned out that vamp nest.
Veraraths_kitten on October 23rd, 2010 09:45 pm (UTC)
Oh, I wanted to punch Sam in this ep, but I don't hate him as a character nor do I think it's out of character. He did come back empty in a way, same as Dean, just not completely the same. I mean, he still spend a couple years in hell, and that after he was joined with Lucifer and already went down the rabbit hole in season 5, what with killing Brady and all.

But I just wouldn't blame Dean for punching him right now. And it's not like Sam never punched him.
sn_143sn: AVATAR: confusedsn_143sn on October 25th, 2010 05:43 am (UTC)
eh??? sorry about the randomness.
uhmm when did Sam punch Dean??
lol I know Lucifer!Sam hit Dean, and they bought punched and fought in the siren episode and that one where he ran away and fought with Dean to help Ruby. But those hits dont count IMHO cox it wasnt one-sided punching, and Lucifer!Sam wasn't Sam.
But for the life of me I'm unable to rem anything else *scratches head*
I rem Dean punching Sam in 3 episodes. I'm stumped *headdesk* Please don't tell me I am biased enough to rem Dean hitting Sam and not other way round. I have been patting myself for being NOT BIASED :(
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Fabi: sam supporterfabilimah on October 24th, 2010 12:43 am (UTC)
Marti, are you real??? Are you really really real?
Oh please God Marti has to be real!

Honey you're amazing I just say that!

thank you so much for speak what I want to say to everyone!!!!!

PS. I liked this episode too ;)

tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 06:50 pm (UTC)
*checks herself...* Uhm yep... I'm all really and 100% flesh and blood lol

And really, bb, no need to thank me!!! I just HAD TO get it out. All the Sam hate lately makes me cringe so much! :-(

And I'm glad that you, also as a Sam girl, also liked the episode!! \o/ I guess that says a lot when even Sam girls say that they like the episode, yes??
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(Amanda): sam s1 heartssnchick12 on October 24th, 2010 03:10 am (UTC)
omg this ep was just pure mind fuckery lol
it was great started out all funny and then bam WTF is going on lol and oMG did that just happen
omg next week
eeeeeeeeeeeep
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 06:51 pm (UTC)
Haha yeah.. if we would draw a diagram the curve would def. be a wanky and funny with lots of ups and downs lol
Tanja: Sammy ELACangels_cordy on October 24th, 2010 03:25 pm (UTC)
Do I have to tell you that you just spoke my mind!!??
I don't thinks so right *loool*
We already know that you are my brain twin so no surprise that I agree 100% with you and that I just feel exactly the same!!
It's good to have friends like you that makes this soo much better

*snuggles*
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 07:07 pm (UTC)
You know, I could say like a thousand words right now... but I think the only thing that brings everything across right now, is:

ILU!!!! :-))
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tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 07:06 pm (UTC)
OH THANK GOD!! No you are def. not alone anymore!! I've never seen (and never will see) any of those movies!!! *high fives you* (and I also agree on Spike!! NO ONE'S better than our Blondie Bear!!! :-D )

And I'm also loving the rest of your comment!!!! I'm soo glad to see that ppl SEE that the show and the boys have changed and that there was a huge progression on characters and story. But no matter what, in the end we will return to the core statement of the show... and that is the brotherly Winchester love :-))) I really can't wait for that moment... cause it's going to be BEAUTIFUL and soooo worth the journey!!! <33

Amy: SPN - J2 - Later in my roomames1010 on October 25th, 2010 12:31 am (UTC)
I am SO glad to read this, sweetie! I'm feeling like saying to everyone, "If all you're going to do is bitch about the show? STOP FUCKING WATCHING!!!"
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 07:01 pm (UTC)
AMEN to that!!

I'm sooo glad to see that we are on the same page, babe :-))
trichinopoly ash: stock: angel ringaldehyde on October 25th, 2010 03:22 am (UTC)
i agree with you re: sam :D i think it's interesting character development and i'm curious to see how it will all be resolved.
tinkabell007tinkabell007 on October 25th, 2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
Yay :-) I'm really glad that there are more ppl out there who like the direction they are heading to :-) I really can't wait to find out what happened to Sam.